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I hate to say this, but I think davidonpda is completely correct. This is the one business that does seem to take technology seriously and is an early adopter for new ideas and concepts.
Take this as a business idea if you want, but charging 0.01 BTC per image download, 0.10 BTC per movie, and 0.05 BTC per audio clip sounds like something that could catch on real well.
Then again, even if you didn't want to necessarily get into porn, you could still do that in terms of building up some sort of licensed media library where folks could download images of say sunsets, bridges, and other high quality stuff (aka screensavers, etc.) and maybe a sound effects library. There is a market for stuff like this, and charging small amounts for individual pieces could be a lot of fun.
I think bitcoin poker will really establish the BTC.
Quote from: RHorning on August 02, 2010, 01:22:18 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7002#msg7002)
I hate to say this, but I think davidonpda is completely correct. This is the one business that does seem to take technology seriously and is an early adopter for new ideas and concepts.
Take this as a business idea if you want, but charging 0.01 BTC per image download, 0.10 BTC per movie, and 0.05 BTC per audio clip sounds like something that could catch on real well.
You hate to say this? You don't like porn or something?
Quote from: davidonpda on August 02, 2010, 01:12:03 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7000#msg7000)
I'd like to refer your attention to the walmart thread if you haven't read it already http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659.0
The easiest industry to get on board of bitcoin? Come on... micropayment capable... a little anonymous? No adult store names on the credit card receipt? Someone should make a BitPorn store if they want to see bitcoins really catch on haha. 
lmao
I dont know about the "micro" part
I believe there's a huge difference between porn (which is art, weather you like it or not) and poker (or, as the governments like to put it, gambling). Basically, gambling is highly legislated, and online gambling even more so these days. The sites need to keep records of everything and while BTCs could be seen as 'play money' that would only work to a point, I believe.
Porn, on the other hand, is just art (so as long as all those involved are at or above legal age, of course) and, "no dear, of course I don't browse those stupid misogynous sites" but I would certainly pay in bitcoins for that because... ahem... I want to help the economy pick up.
It would also rock at poker, sure, but I don't think any of the established sites will want to venture a government action because they allow 'anonymous money' to go in.
Why does the government hates internet gambling? 
Quote from: davidonpda on August 02, 2010, 04:56:13 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7043#msg7043)
I'm not saying I'd start it because of moral reasons, I'm just tossing out the idea that maybe hasn't been thought of too much yet.
You could still pay by the month, by the day, or as mentioned per video or picture. Nice simple payments across an open p2p system.
Who will provide the p0rn?
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 02:36:53 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7013#msg7013)
Why does the government hates internet gambling? 
Why would you assume they hate it? The problem, afaict, is just controlling it. It's hard, almost as hard as the drug market. If they find a way to prevent anyone from gambling online without their approval and scrutiny, then you'll see online gambling on government sponsored ads everywhere (with a disclaimer saying "gamble responsibly" in very small letters). The same applies to bitcoins in general, it is just something they don't control which means can't easily tax, which obviously is seen as a threat, especially when they have a concurrent thing, which is controlled and taxed by said governments.
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 05:03:12 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7044#msg7044)
Quote from: davidonpda on August 02, 2010, 04:56:13 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7043#msg7043)
I'm not saying I'd start it because of moral reasons, I'm just tossing out the idea that maybe hasn't been thought of too much yet.
You could still pay by the month, by the day, or as mentioned per video or picture. Nice simple payments across an open p2p system.
Who will provide the p0rn?
Great...now we have to put up with ads for adultfriendfinder 
I used to own the domain name sexrssize 
Give people free iphone 4's to perform on facetime for 10 bitcoins a minute........ 
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 05:03:12 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7044#msg7044)
Quote from: davidonpda on August 02, 2010, 04:56:13 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7043#msg7043)
I'm not saying I'd start it because of moral reasons, I'm just tossing out the idea that maybe hasn't been thought of too much yet.
You could still pay by the month, by the day, or as mentioned per video or picture. Nice simple payments across an open p2p system.
Who will provide the p0rn?
I have some sparetime 
...but I guess my girlfriend will be a little bit less happy with the idea
Poker sites aren't illegal in a lot of places. In fact they aren't illegal in the US. It is just illegal to fund the site with a credit card and even that is about to be repealed it looks like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 05:03:12 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7044#msg7044)
Who will provide the p0rn?
It's my impression that most online porn these days is made by amateurs. That really annoys the professionals, or so I've read.
Quote from: mtgox on August 03, 2010, 09:55:11 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7346#msg7346)
Poker sites aren't illegal in a lot of places. In fact they aren't illegal in the US. It is just illegal to fund the site with a credit card and even that is about to be repealed it looks like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling
You mean to say that playing poker at poker sites is not illegal in the US, right?
Running one would not be legal, afaik.
Do you play much online?
Quote from: skull88 on August 03, 2010, 05:50:42 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7281#msg7281)
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 05:03:12 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7044#msg7044)
Quote from: davidonpda on August 02, 2010, 04:56:13 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7043#msg7043)
I'm not saying I'd start it because of moral reasons, I'm just tossing out the idea that maybe hasn't been thought of too much yet.
You could still pay by the month, by the day, or as mentioned per video or picture. Nice simple payments across an open p2p system.
Who will provide the p0rn?
I have some sparetime 
...but I guess my girlfriend will be a little bit less happy with the idea
lmao
Quote from: ichi on August 03, 2010, 10:44:17 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7355#msg7355)
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 05:03:12 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7044#msg7044)
Who will provide the p0rn?
It's my impression that most online porn these days is made by amateurs. That really annoys the professionals, or so I've read.
It's the opposite for poker. More amateurs is good for the pros ;-)
If we could just find a way for the pros to do porn vs amateurs I think everyone would be happy.
Quote from: FreeMoney on August 04, 2010, 01:18:23 AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7389#msg7389)
If we could just find a way for the pros to do porn vs amateurs I think everyone would be happy.
Actually, I believe that the future of professional porn is MMRPG with AIs and dongles 
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 01:38:45 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7005#msg7005)
Quote from: RHorning on August 02, 2010, 01:22:18 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7002#msg7002)
I hate to say this, but I think davidonpda is completely correct. This is the one business that does seem to take technology seriously and is an early adopter for new ideas and concepts.
You hate to say this? You don't like porn or something?
Been there, done that in terms of getting tied up with the porn industry. Some of the people involved on a full-time level in the "porn industry" certainly are folks you would not want hanging around your kids, or for that matter even being around at all. I'm sort of lucky I'm even still alive frankly for even having been however briefly associated with this crowd. Money is to be made, but there is a price to be paid. Make sure you are willing to pay the price and know very well what the price is that has to be paid when getting into an enterprise like this.
The guys that make you pay don't care about courts, and many are into.... let's just say other enterprises of questionable legality.
Quote from: RHorning on August 04, 2010, 01:54:22 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7474#msg7474)
Been there, done that in terms of getting tied up with the porn industry.
Bondage is a fairly common fetish, afaik.
Quote from: nelisky on August 02, 2010, 02:33:34 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7012#msg7012)
It would also rock at poker, sure, but I don't think any of the established sites will want to venture a government action because they allow 'anonymous money' to go in.
http://www.pokerth.net/
could be a winning combination...
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 02:36:53 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7013#msg7013)
Why does the government hates internet gambling? 
B/c they can't tax it.
Ta,
Quote from: joechip on August 17, 2010, 11:20:07 AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg9892#msg9892)
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 02:36:53 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7013#msg7013)
Why does the government hates internet gambling? 
B/c they can't tax it.
Ta,
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
Quote from: em3rgentOrdr on September 14, 2010, 05:52:45 AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg12687#msg12687)
Quote from: joechip on August 17, 2010, 11:20:07 AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg9892#msg9892)
Quote from: kiba on August 02, 2010, 02:36:53 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7013#msg7013)
Why does the government hates internet gambling? 
B/c they can't tax it.
Ta,
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
The UK government seems to be doing an OK job of it.
I'll say this from experience.. a lot experience.. Don't ask. 
The online adult market won't adopt Bitcoin easily. The type of person who buys online porn is a 'revolver' of credit. They don't have money to spend on porn. They *need* credit. That's why credit cards work so well.
Bitcoin is too difficult for the average guy to use. He wants porn. He doesn't care about hashing/encrypting/p2p. No amount of convincing will tell him that Bitcoin is better than a credit card. Also, the thought of downloading and installing an application is scary to an experienced porn customer. They've all had their fair share of viruses, excessive popups from CJ sites, and other general web annoyances.
Porn sites won't adopt Bitcoin because it is a waste of time. It can't do recurring billing. That is their bread and butter. Being able to silently just keep billing someone's credit card, until they cancel, is what fuels their affiliate programs and their promises to pay $150-$200 per sale (aka "join") to affiliates.
Lets say that you solved some of these problems by directing porn customers and merchants to a web interface system like MyBitcoin. Let's also say that they have a working shopping cart system for the merchants. I'll explain the problems with that next...
You could get porn customers to use it. But, you'd end up with the problem of funding the wallet. Assuming that the customer doesn't easily give up. (They *buy* porn because finding it for free is too much of a hassle. They are *LAZY*.) The customer will seek out PayPal or credit card to Bitcoin exchangers. (They stick with what they know.) The liabilities would be held by the exchangers. The levels of chargebacks will slowly increase on these exchangers until they are out of business.
After that happens, it would grind to a halt. Merchants would drop it like a hot potato. They are used to dropping payment options. It is their first reaction when something goes wrong. The online adult industry is riddled with bank/Visa/whatever freeze-ups.
From the merchant side, you'd have the problem of "cashing out". The porn merchants don't give a damn about your virtual currency. They want dollars. MyBitcoin, in this example, would have to guarantee to buy (under contract) every single Bitcoin or no merchant in their right mind would use it. Sure, they could pass the Bitcoins to their affiliates/promoters to alleviate some of their liabilities. This would require some serious adoption (and convincing) across the entire industry.
The only viable option for Bitcoin in the adult arena is the micropayment one. Period. You'd have to supply absolutely *all* of the web technology. (Customer AND merchant.) It would have to be entirely web-based. You'd have to guarantee, in writing, to buy each coin back. This would only work on a few sites. Sites that sell porn per image, video, software download, etc. Sites that don't rely on recurring revenues.
Personal reservations aside; the fastest way to encourage adoption would be a dumbed-down HYIP.
I wouldnt sell porn directly with bitcoins.What I would do is setup an adult verification service using bitcoins that has agreements with other avs companies to accept your avs as acceptable. Customers could then use their sites without having to reveal identity or credit card info.
Just an FYI: AVS is a scam. They don't verify anything. AVS has nothing to do with verifying someone's age.
They came about to skirt the Visa regulations on selling porn. (Around 2001) They claim to Visa that they are selling an age verification service and not porn. This evolved into "ticket service providers" who would sell tickets that could be redeemed for porn, and many other systems that 'skirt' the banking rules.
Are you really going to verify the age of the customer? You are going to sell them an anonymous currency and then ask for ID? Do you really think that current AVSes want Bitcoins? They rely on selling recurring billing.
Sorry to burst your bubble.  I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just being realistic.
Quote from: mtgox on August 02, 2010, 01:23:12 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7004#msg7004)
I think bitcoin poker will really establish the BTC.
I disagree. All you can get with bitcoins by playing poker is bitcoins. Gambling is also nowhere near as big a market as porn and it does not really benefit as much from the possibility of micropayments.
I think bitporn would be an excellent idea and if someone starts developing it I hope they will contact me.
Quote from: Babylon on September 23, 2010, 05:01:59 AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg13789#msg13789)
Quote from: mtgox on August 02, 2010, 01:23:12 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7004#msg7004)
I think bitcoin poker will really establish the BTC.
I disagree. All you can get with bitcoins by playing poker is bitcoins. Gambling is also nowhere near as big a market as porn and it does not really benefit as much from the possibility of micropayments.
I think bitporn would be an excellent idea and if someone starts developing it I hope they will contact me.
Why not replace SharingMatrix/MegaUpload/et. al with a (user friendly) bitcoin based file host, and get all the "free" porn sites (like adultbay, for instance) to use it instead. I'd actually pay for the increased bandwidth and concurrent downloads if I didn't have to risk my personal and CC details and those evil, evil automatic recurring payments.
This way we can use porn (and music blogs) in a roundabout way.
Quote from: thrashaholic on September 23, 2010, 05:06:50 AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg13794#msg13794)
Quote from: Babylon on September 23, 2010, 05:01:59 AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg13789#msg13789)
Quote from: mtgox on August 02, 2010, 01:23:12 PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7004#msg7004)
I think bitcoin poker will really establish the BTC.
I disagree. All you can get with bitcoins by playing poker is bitcoins. Gambling is also nowhere near as big a market as porn and it does not really benefit as much from the possibility of micropayments.
I think bitporn would be an excellent idea and if someone starts developing it I hope they will contact me.
Why not replace SharingMatrix/MegaUpload/et. al with a (user friendly) bitcoin based file host, and get all the "free" porn sites (like adultbay, for instance) to use it instead. I'd actually pay for the increased bandwidth and concurrent downloads if I didn't have to risk my personal and CC details and those evil, evil automatic recurring payments.
This way we can use porn (and music blogs) in a roundabout way.
Yeah, Bitcoin serve as good captcha.
Bitcoin would be convenient for people who don't have a credit card or don't want to use the cards they have, either don't want the spouse to see it on the bill or don't trust giving their number to "porn guys", or afraid of recurring billing.